यसो गरे कसो होला?‏ अर्न्तगत के के कुरा भए त

A.) विद्वान अग्रजहरूको धारावाहिक सृजना गौरवयोग्य लागे, जसका लागि प्रशस्तै फुर्सदिला जनहरूप्रति हार्दिक धन्यवाद ।

मेरो विचारमा यस्ता गनफसे कुरामा यति लामा लेख लेख्ने समयलाई विज्ञान प्रा.वि. रुम्टीका लागि खर्च गर्न सके उचित हुँदो हो कि । भन्ज्यांगबाट रुम्टीमा सरेको विद्यालयको भौतिक संरचनाको नाममा बाँसका चित्राले बेरेको चिसो भुईं (गोलभेंडा वा च्याऊ खेतीका लागि पनि उपयुक्त छैन होला) मा पढ्नुपर्ने समस्या छ, त्यसको स्तरोन्नति वा भौतिक सुधारका लागि जसले जहाँबाट जति सकिन्छ त्यति सहयोग जुटाउने प्रयासमा समय निकाल्ने कष्ट गरिदिएमा त्यहाँ पढ्ने विद्यार्थी तथा करिव करिव सित्तैमा पढाउने शिक्षकहरूले साँच्चिकै धन्य‍वाद दिँदा हुन् । शायद यस्ता सामाजिक काममा जाँगर पनि फुर्सद पनि नहुन सक्छ । आगे रिसानी माफ है?

ईश्वरी प्रसाद भट्ट, हर्मी ९ (हाल गोंगबु काठमाडौं)


B.)You r right Iswori. Lets put our effort. Firsly let us make a plan and program, action plan etc. Then move ahead according to the plan. I think its economic, academic, physical and general condition is poor. So lets start first by raising money from personal as well as through other donors on our touch. I request you all to provide their views and physical help in this regard
Thank you
Hari p dhakal


C.) जहाँ छौ ,त्येही बाट काम सुरु गरौ/
जे छ,तेसैबाट काम सुरु गरौ /
जति छ,तेतीनैबाट काम सुरु गरौ /
हामी सबैले काम गरौ /
कुरा र भासनमा महान होइन ,काम मा महान बनौ /
बस् यति हो मेरो भन्नु

bikash dhakal



D. )Thanks for diverting the discussions from never ending cultural/religious thoughts. In fact, we all viewers are benefited from the readings of nicely elaborated writings. There were discussions took places here and there on "10th year plan for Harmi Development". Whether this school is part of that plan or we need to start from scratch? By the way can we share and discuss the plan developed for Harmi in this forum? and then we can discuss more on the development of other plan for schools, health centre, clubs etc.
I am fully supportive to the new ideas as Ishwori brought up in this forum.
thanks.
Damodar adhikari


E.Dear all,
Thank you Mr. Ishwari for twisting our topic from philosophy to real life. Yes, I agree with Dr. Rabindra. Last generation has discussed on local issues in open public space 'Chautari' but this generation are practicing in close public space 'website'. Methods is different but matter is same. We can use this pace not only to show our existence but also share and inform local issues to the others. After the local initiation, we are ready to help as much as possible.


Ramji Bogati,
Dortmund, Germany



F. )Dear all,
is still good to keep communicating this way and that way so that we all remain in touch to make a vivid society, may it be theoretical and practical approaches. Unless and until we are clear in the negative aspect of our believe and attitude, it will be hard enough to retract where we are currently standing. As we all wanted own developed village and as long as we are capable to do it, is better to do in our own. The best way of helping is collecting the fund, asking the governmental organ to support it, and labor contribution for construction and volunteering to teach.

1. Wealth- Money collection: Khutruke yojana would be highly significant. why dont we distribute the khutruke to all well wisher of school from Harmi to contribute as much as they can. I can start it for this novel cause.

2. academic assistant: Our teaching methodology should be revived. we should ask to read as much as they can rather making them parrot. For this purpose, we should have to collect the book from the donor like room to read or some other organization or from individual they owned. I remembered those days of my High School, when I was a anchor of the library, Janadeep, collecting thousands of books, was disappeared during janaandolan as we couldn't survive on the suppression against the political upheaval. May it be a community library not of school, but we should give access to all student whatever they read. reading is enlightening, if it is not ill intentioned book.

3. Motivation to student and teacher: as majority of their senior has gone unemployed and had seen them that may raise their frustation. Even graduated fellow had gone abroad for unskilled work that give negative impression to the parents that study has nothing to do with better life. To avoid this happening, we should keep convincing them saying this is not the thing, need to wait for a while and we should teach them to be workoholic. cant we send a volunteer to teach in these school for 1 week or if impossible for 1 day that make vivid relationship among the villager and hope for desperate student hearing the successful story of our.
Looking forward to hear from you.

yours



Rabindra Prasad Dhakal (Dr.Eng.)
Department of Applied Chemistry
University of Miyazaki, Japan


G.)Here comes the real debate under the banner of "What about doing this?"
In fact, there had been quite too much near-good-for-nothing (Ganaphasay/Bakamphusay?) exchange. Let's see who contributes in what fashion when it comes to concrete/practical project work as suggested by Ishwari. I am reminded though of the old adage: "Easier said than done !"

mukti nath bhatta



H.)Dear all

It is very nice that the discussion forum is widening and the topics are coming to practical points, to action. yes we need to do rather than to talk. But this discussion was initiated for the purpose of coming to practical action.
For any action to take place first of all the stakeholders need to be activated, brought for thoughts and the soil needs to be prepared.Now many brains have been stimulated, started to participate in discussions, some nice proposals are being brought in, but still I feel some very much learned and respected harmiites are silent, we need to discuss more, prepare the community to be activated, ready to accept any good initiatives. The whole population of Harmi should feel that we are talking for the benefit of everyone, the feeling of social works, that of togetherness etc. If we start some projects without preparing the community it might not produce the expected result. For this we need to work/discuss in two folds,:

1. prepare the general harmiites to accept or more than except to demand for the needy project which will be for everyone in Harmi, that is in contemporary development jhargon called "community participation from the planning stage" which is one of the essential thing for any successful project.

2. At the same time we need to think about some most essential for the day and feasible projects and look for resources.

Maybe this might again look more theoretical for some of us but we should prepare well befor we start any project.

K P Dhakal


I.)Dear Ishwari and All,

I am a late comer, who enjoyed reading all good religious and social discussions and some bacamphusay matters emerged as a part of interaction in this node -Our Harmi Blog/website. Thought, I would respond individually to all in time. Reading Ishwari's message the other day made me chuckle all myself when I read the message late at night and prompted me not to put it off any more for tomorrow. Thank you Ishwari for `ice breaking' of the real problem. Hope, my response below will encompass everybody's comments collectively

1) Towards action: Ishwari's sharp comment has helped everyone to reevalate the previous course of discussion termed as bacamphusay. Some of the suggestions (health, agriculture etc) were too theoretical and less pragmatic. In fact they would provide just leap services at this point of time.

2) Reviewing the past: First, Harmi Plan must have addressed Bigyan Primary. Hope we don't have to start from the scratch again. Damodar Adhikari has also raised the same question. This plan has taken so many hours that one cannot afford very often. Second, I proposed Muthi dan (translated as one rupee daily) from the inhabitants of Harmi and a rough scheme was drawn in order to develop a continuous source of funds for schools of Harmi. Later, I was told that this proposition was discussed and endorsed in a picnic (unfortunately I was out of station during that time) and planned to start its implementation from the beginning of Nepali New Year 2066. Probably, Janardan Dhakal will explain it better about the status of that scheme. Let us build/expand on the same foundation we created together before.

3) Mass mobilization/local stakeholders: Donation from just few people is not a sustainable way of development. In order to call `OUR HARMI' all the inhabitants/stakeholders of Harmi must be involved and take the ownership of the development project/s. That reduces the dependency.

4) Dependency syndrome: I am not quite convinced asking donations even from all `sabhasads' for our Bigyan Primary (as suggested by Ishwari). They have many schools like Bigyan Primary including other things to look at in their respective areas of representation. Dependency is counter productive in developmental process.

Let me share an interesting experience in brief, a well-off Sherpa of Khumbhu once suggested me (our team)to recommend for development funds from the government and international agencies to fence his kitchen garden. Now, I would like to ask you to provide your opinion: how would you respond to the person if you were there in our team?

5) Committment: It is very encouraging that many of you (Doctor sab, Ishwari, Damodar, and Hari) have already made your committments. I am sure many other will follow the suit. I also express my financial committment if a concrete and sustainable plan for the school is in place. I remember Mr. Madhav Marhatta once told in a meeting `patala bhanda chhito tatchan ani chhito selaunchan'. Let us design the plan/scheme that does not allow one to selaune.

Sorry for my delayed and long winded response. Thank you all particularly Bikash, who made this exchange possible by creating Harmi website.

Wishing you all the best for the post festival season

Khadga B. Basnet



J.)Dear all,
Thank you respected Prof. Khadga Basnet to remind/revive our Harmi Plan which was initiated and documented by Mr. Janardan Dhakal. It was not only a collective efforts of all intellectual and stakeholders but also the participation of all family memebrs (e.g, Hari dai, Khadga sir etc.) for providing us their own resources (Khaja) during meeting. After this plan and discussion some development works have completed and some are initiated. For example, upgraded Nawalpur secondary school, one new building constructed and one renovated with supplied drinking water in Chapawati Sec. School, constructed track from Harmi -Sirkhre Bayapani, drinking water program, etc. During these development works many stakeholders have participated and donated fund. The records of their contribution is only limited in individual school or it might be lost. Participation of stakeholder is a foundation of development as well as sustainbility of this works. I think, participation and institutionalization, local government and governance are the major principle of development.
As mentioned by Dr. Basnet, Why do we not develop this 'Harmi Foundation' as a institution? In this regards, this foundation may help as the followings to:
Coordinate with members (local people, CBOs, regular members etc)
Collect of fund (from members, individual donors, or government and nongovernemt organization etc)
Initiate and provide seed money for any development works.
Record keeping of contributor and managing fund as 'one door system'
Closely work with local government (small office will setup in or nearby VDC office)
Monitor and identify the development works which help for new planning, etc.

Thank you Bikash for disseminating our views and our village news to us.

Thank you

Ramji Bogati
Department of Landscape Ecology and Landscape planning
University of Dortmund, Germany